Disturbing gathering points from old HW.

[GoriLLakoS]

Hello guys,

First post here,

I would like to mention something that disturbs me a little,

Some guys are posting scores from Athlon Xp1800 or even older setups like Pentium 2,3,Celeron 333,400 , making WR and gathering points.
You will tell me that you will need to post 50 scores to gather 100 points but with 5 different CPUs it is quite easy.

there is no point in Posting scores on hwbot on all the benchmarks and gathering 100 points with ease beacuse of this.

Some other is benching really hard and some other just give a try to ancient hardware in order to have points.


This is my personal thoughts of course and i am not representing someone else...

Maybe it will be good to gahter points from A64 and up for amd and series 6XX or 5XX and up for Intel.
All the other scores with older hw, can stay to the database for historicals reasons and only.
What do you think about it?

Kind Regads
Bill

[jmke]

check this subforum: http://www.hwbot.org/forums/viewforum.php?id=2

the HWBot rev2 & HW grinding threads, the HWBot rev2 will address the issue you just mention, too keep HWBot interesting for both ONE system benchers as HW addicts with large collection of HW.

[GoriLLakoS]

Thanks for the answer jmke.


Can you please tell me which #post to look?
It is huge..:)

You mean that points from old stuff will not earn hwboints?

[jmke]

this one addresses your concern; but nothing final yet: http://www.hwbot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=600
this one started it off: http://www.hwbot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=547

idea is to have a maximum entry CAP for individual scores, like say max 500 results which have HWBoints (number is made up here), for team results all those HWboint scores will count though; it's not final yet; we're working on balancing things out to keep HWbot interesting for both extreme OC and hardware grinders.

[Sadhiq]

Don't forget that many people like to bench old HW ;)
For sure boints aren't as high for oldies than for the WR of 3D mark ! :)

[STEvil]

Would be better to make user score only the combination of their top scoring runs for each bench.

They can have a personal score which is the sum of all their benchmarks for personal use.. but its meaningless beyond that really.

[Hak Foo]

Hello guys,

First post here,

I would like to mention something that disturbs me a little,

Some guys are posting scores from Athlon Xp1800 or even older setups like Pentium 2,3,Celeron 333,400 , making WR and gathering points.
You will tell me that you will need to post 50 scores to gather 100 points but with 5 different CPUs it is quite easy.



Considering that many users are still daily driving such machines, it would be fairly discriminatory to penalise users on those machines.


there is no point in Posting scores on hwbot on all the benchmarks and gathering 100 points with ease beacuse of this.


There's a lot of effort in score-gathering that way.

You can also get many more points per bench if you DO have a record in a competitive sector.

Maybe it will be good to gahter points from A64 and up for amd and series 6XX or 5XX and up for Intel.
All the other scores with older hw, can stay to the database for historicals reasons and only.
What do you think about it?


The boints are motivation for some participants to bench like mad and fill in a lot of useful data.

For example, my main box is a 4600+ on Socket 939. It can't go much over stock on my current board, because I can't give it more voltage. Thanks to people fighting for hwboints, though, I can know exactly what to expect in terms of overclocking capacity and performance if I were to lay out the money for a board with more voltage options.

[demos_sav]

Gorillakos, we are not all rich enough to buy a qx6700 8800 ultra and LN2 cooling. So we wouldn't have a chance breaking a world record or even be in the top 100 to earn points. So what's the point of having thousands of members in HwBot with 0 as a score??

[jmke]

HWBot Rev2 will address all of this, you'll see:)

[cdawall]

i think it is BS to do that leave the old hardware alone. I just upgraded from a Ti4200 a few weeks ago to do what your saying would kill off old legacy hardware like that. That thing is the 2nd place card for ti4200 64mb chips in AQ3. The scores for old parts is very low (only 1.7pts for a 2nd place score) leave the old parts alone a LOT of people still use them. I still have a celeron 433mhz on my desk and I STILL USE THAT! (for code testing it works fine)

[richba5tard]

Hi cdawall, your Ti4200 score gets few points not because it's old hardware, but because you've got little competition in the Ti4200 league. The more people that submit Ti4200 scores, the more your second place will be worth.

[Potapicus]

So, as I understand, someone wants to give a boints only for tests with new,fresh hardware? It will destroy the idea of competition. I don't have spare 2000 $ for new 2x8800 ULTRA and one more 1000 $ for 4x core processor. On my work there is a lot of machines with pentium or celeron 800 MHz MAXIMUM - and people work on it.
Try to delete all old results - and many members delete hwbot from their life.
At this moment I have motherboard with integrated Cyrux GX Media 166 MHz - and I'll make this machine to be work. And I'll try to test it.

So, it's the administration right what to do - stay old hardware or delete it.

[richba5tard]

Er no, it has nothing to do whether hardware is old or not. Only the amount of competition counts. Eg. a good 9800Pro score will get you more points that a good Radeon 2400XT score.

[jmke]

yup you are correct RB :)

8500GT new

1. 3Dmark 2001 - 44603 marks - S_A_V (Team MXS ModLab...) - (GeForce 8500 GT @ 864/882mhz [#1 single GeForce 8500 GT in 3Dmark 2001] on h2o)
3 points - [ inspect ] - [ compare ]

2. 3Dmark 2001 - 35997 marks - v|ADy (Team MXS ModLab...) - (GeForce 8500 GT @ 810/817mhz [#2 single GeForce 8500 GT in 3Dmark 2001] )
2.4 points - [ inspect ] - [ compare ]

3. 3Dmark 2001 - 35589 marks - DEVILEK (XtremeSystems) - (GeForce 8500 GT @ 783/820mhz [#3 single GeForce 8500 GT in 3Dmark 2001] )
2.1 points - [ inspect ] - [ compare ]

4. 3Dmark 2001 - 33647 marks - NeoForce (Topmods.NET & X...) - (GeForce 8500 GT @ 779/803mhz [#4 single GeForce 8500 GT in 3Dmark 2001] )
1.8 points - [ inspect ] - [ compare ]

5. 3Dmark 2001 - 33014 marks - korby (ROClockers Benc...) - (GeForce 8500 GT @ 700/750mhz [#5 single GeForce 8500 GT in 3Dmark 2001] )
1.5 points

vs

7300GT DDR3 old


1. 3Dmark 2001 - 54020 marks - kiwi (XtremeSystems) - (GeForce 7300 GT DDR3 @ 770/920mhz [#1 single GeForce 7300 GT DDR3 in 3Dmark 2001] )
9.5 points - [ inspect ] - [ compare ]

2. 3Dmark 2001 - 50755 marks - Big_Sam (Russian Overs-O...) - (GeForce 7300 GT DDR3 @ 1000/830mhz [#2 single GeForce 7300 GT DDR3 in 3Dmark 2001] )
7.6 points - [ inspect ] - [ compare ]

3. ok 3Dmark 2001 - 50087 marks - Gamer (OC-Team.Be) - (GeForce 7300 GT DDR3 @ 940/1000mhz [#3 single GeForce 7300 GT DDR3 in 3Dmark 2001] )
6.6 points - [ inspect ] - [ compare ]

4. 3Dmark 2001 - 49250 marks - S_A_V (Team MXS ModLab...) - (GeForce 7300 GT DDR3 @ 907/1066mhz [#4 single GeForce 7300 GT DDR3 in 3Dmark 2001] )
5.7 points - [ inspect ] - [ compare ]

5. 3Dmark 2001 - 49001 marks - andre X_X (KOC2 - Indonesia) - (GeForce 7300 GT DDR3 @ 790/830mhz [#5 single GeForce 7300 GT DDR3 in 3Dmark 2001] )
4.7 points



Popular Hardware gives higher Hardware Points,
Higher GLOBAL score will get you the big ones (50+)

there is no mystery; the HWcap only applies to those with really A LOT of results

[Massman]

So, as I understand, someone wants to give a boints only for tests with new,fresh hardware? It will destroy the idea of competition. I don't have spare 2000 $ for new 2x8800 ULTRA and one more 1000 $ for 4x core processor. On my work there is a lot of machines with pentium or celeron 800 MHz MAXIMUM - and people work on it.
Try to delete all old results - and many members delete hwbot from their life.
At this moment I have motherboard with integrated Cyrux GX Media 166 MHz - and I'll make this machine to be work. And I'll try to test it.

So, it's the administration right what to do - stay old hardware or delete it.

There is no such thing like deleting old hardware from the hwboints system, just limitations on the amount of points ONE user can get from the total amount of hardware points. Look at Hipro5: he hasn't benched older systems, but has also has hit the 300 hardware points barrier.

[Potapicus]

Let's look at him - he can use LN2 and quad cpu and fresh 8800 ultra. And it's the difference - who can use fresh HW - use it, and others use old HW.

What is the idea of limitation? Limits in old HW or all HW - for example maximum results in cpuz - 10 - and there is no difference, in what category user earn it - or 10xOLD or 3xOLD+7xNEW - something like this?

[Massman]

Let's look at him - he can use LN2 and quad cpu and fresh 8800 ultra. And it's the difference - who can use fresh HW - use it, and others use old HW.

What is the idea of limitation? Limits in old HW or all HW - for example maximum results in cpuz - 10 - and there is no difference, in what category user earn it - or 10xOLD or 3xOLD+7xNEW - something like this?

Limits for all hardware, old and new. The limitation is only for the maximum amount of hardware points you can get for the member league. You can still submit as many results as you want, because the points above 300 (the limit for the hardware points) still count for the team league.

[Potapicus]

You can still submit as many results as you want, because the points above 300 (the limit for the hardware points) still count for the team league.

So the maximum points for member=300?

[jmke]

hardware points.

[cdawall]

Hi cdawall, your Ti4200 score gets few points not because it's old hardware, but because you've got little competition in the Ti4200 league. The more people that submit Ti4200 scores, the more your second place will be worth.

i already new that i was just pointing out it was old hardware that made points only against identical cards and tey are so old few have posted results with them, but if i oc the heck outta my newcastle 3000+ i should get more points than if i oc the the heck outta my Celeron D 351 since there are 20X as many 3000+.