HWBOT Rev7.1 point recalculation in progress

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The hwbot point calculation or revision 7 was wonky, and messed up the rankings under load. Now the bug are ironed out rev7.1, a full recalculation of approx 870.000 rankings is in progress. As the site is under quite some load from the day to day submissions and visitors, this takes a long time. In the meanwhile, please be patient. The full recalc was started 48 hours ago. At a rate of one ranking every 2 seconds, approx. 90000 have been recalculated up till now.


Belgium richba5tard says:

Currently 171200 / 870000 rankings recalculated.

Russian Federation temrus says:

please. answer me on my pm

Belgium richba5tard says:

check pm

Belgium richba5tard says:

199600 / 870000 done

United States Mr.Scott says:

This is gonna finish on April 1st.

Oh the irony. 

 

United States yosarianilives says:

Hi, I have 2 subs that are getting the wrongful pts. http://hwbot.org/submission/3724805_yosarianilives_wprime___1024m_sempron_150_18min_13sec_124ms and http://hwbot.org/submission/3622335_yosarianilives_gpupi_for_cpu___1b_xeon_e5_1607_14min_40sec_748ms I only mention because the wprime score just got it's pts today. Which means that something is still broken with the rankings, as that would suggest it got it's pts AFTER getting recalculated by the giant recalc you forced.

 

Also could you take a look at 1c x265? There seems to be a bug with people subbing things for "no pts no rank" then becoming part of the 1c rankings. If you look at 1c rankings here, http://hwbot.org/benchmark/hwbot_x265_benchmark_-_4k/rankings?cores=1#start=0#interval=20 it only shows 1c cpus. However on the main page for the bench this sub is shown as the first place for 1c http://hwbot.org/submission/3615254_samsarulz_hwbot_x265_benchmark___4k_core_i5_7600k_8.97_fps and because of that no actual 1c cpu gets global pts for x265 4k.

Czech Republic Sheppix says:

Global points are broken ...

United States yosarianilives says:

7 minutes ago, Sheppix said:

Global points are broken ...

There is currently a recalc going that's supposed to fix them, but it seems that it may not be completely successful as my sempron wprime score suggests.

Belgium leeghoofd says:

Richbastard should give a heads up when the recalc is completed, plz start reporting afterwards. The more people hit that recalc button, the longer it will take

United States yosarianilives says:

12 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:

Richbastard should give a heads up when the recalc is completed, plz start reporting afterwards. The more people hit that recalc button, the longer it will take

Exactly why I haven't even been subbing anything until the smoke clears. However I brought this up because the wprime sub got it's pts in the MIDDLE of the whole site recalc, it didn't have pts a week ago. That means that it got it's pts AFTER being touched by the recalc. This needs to be looked into as it suggests that rankings are still fundamentally broken and that a whole site recalc may not fix them.


As for the issue with 1c rankings, I think that's a separate issue to what's been going on with rankings. It seems that basically if you sub something for x265 4k and you select no pts or rank it still gets ranked, as 1 core cpu. No matter the true core count. 

Austria basco says:

there should be more info on this whole recalc and submission problem. plz or is the bot leaving?

Belgium richba5tard says:

On 3/27/2018 at 2:25 PM, yosarianilives said:

Hi, I have 2 subs that are getting the wrongful pts. http://hwbot.org/submission/3724805_yosarianilives_wprime___1024m_sempron_150_18min_13sec_124ms and http://hwbot.org/submission/3622335_yosarianilives_gpupi_for_cpu___1b_xeon_e5_1607_14min_40sec_748ms I only mention because the wprime score just got it's pts today. Which means that something is still broken with the rankings, as that would suggest it got it's pts AFTER getting recalculated by the giant recalc you forced.

 

Also could you take a look at 1c x265? There seems to be a bug with people subbing things for "no pts no rank" then becoming part of the 1c rankings. If you look at 1c rankings here, http://hwbot.org/benchmark/hwbot_x265_benchmark_-_4k/rankings?cores=1#start=0#interval=20 it only shows 1c cpus. However on the main page for the bench this sub is shown as the first place for 1c http://hwbot.org/submission/3615254_samsarulz_hwbot_x265_benchmark___4k_core_i5_7600k_8.97_fps and because of that no actual 1c cpu gets global pts for x265 4k.

I see, it is indeed because of #1 to 5 is marked "no pts no rank". I'm implementing a fix.

Greece OGS says:

BTW what was the reason behind some 3x 3DMark Benchmarks getting 160+ points for a while (like last week) and now back to 125?
Asking cause it made/makes much more sense compared to 3x/4x 3d05/3d03 (that have gotten hw capped for years gpu-wise) etc points.

Belgium richba5tard says:

9 hours ago, FireKillerGR said:

BTW what was the reason behind some 3x 3DMark Benchmarks getting 160+ points for a while (like last week) and now back to 125?
Asking cause it made/makes much more sense compared to 3x/4x 3d05/3d03 (that have gotten hw capped for years gpu-wise) etc points.

I think so. The logic to find the top score against which a submission is compared was not always correct. As points are relative to top score, some where incorrect.

Belgium richba5tard says:

11 hours ago, richba5tard said:

I see, it is indeed because of #1 to 5 is marked "no pts no rank". I'm implementing a fix.

Fixed!

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/hwbot_x265_benchmark_-_4k/rankings?cores=1

If you spot other rankings where number #1 is someone who marked his submissions as "no pts" let me know.

United States yosarianilives says:

1 hour ago, richba5tard said:

Fixed!

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/hwbot_x265_benchmark_-_4k/rankings?cores=1

If you spot other rankings where number #1 is someone who marked his submissions as "no pts" let me know.

Will do! Also thanks rankings look much better now for that, also I noticed that the wrongful pts I had a few days ago for gpupi and wprime have gone away so the recalc appears to be working.

Greece TASOS says:

On 3/24/2018 at 10:46 PM, richba5tard said:

199600 / 870000 done

What's the status today ?

 

 

India ksateaaa23 says:

10 hours ago, richba5tard said:

Fixed!

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/hwbot_x265_benchmark_-_4k/rankings?cores=1

If you spot other rankings where number #1 is someone who marked his submissions as "no pts" let me know.

only no.1 rank fixes. x265 4k rank 2,3,4,5,6 is 0.6 and all should get the same no of points. but it's not.

similarly g470 xtu scores also only no.1 rank fixed. rank 2,3,4 is 80 & 5,6,7,8,9 is 79 and the same scores different points.

 

g470.PNG

xtu.PNG

Belgium richba5tard says:

1 hour ago, ksateaaa23 said:

only no.1 rank fixes. x265 4k rank 2,3,4,5,6 is 0.6 and all should get the same no of points. but it's not.

similarly g470 xtu scores also only no.1 rank fixed. rank 2,3,4 is 80 & 5,6,7,8,9 is 79 and the same scores different points.

 

g470.PNG

xtu.PNG

Seems correct to me. Rank 1 to 5 get bonus points.

United States yosarianilives says:

15 minutes ago, richba5tard said:

Seems correct to me. Rank 1 to 5 get bonus points.

Although I have nothing to worry as I'm not tied with anyone, for future reference how is 1-5 determined in the case of a tie? Sub date?

United States Splave says:

no. tie for first both gets first place points and new 2nd place guy gets 3rd place points I believe like xtu locked subs 

United States yosarianilives says:

22 minutes ago, Splave said:

no. tie for first both gets first place points and new 2nd place guy gets 3rd place points I believe like xtu locked subs 

That's not the case in the screenshot above, 2-5th get pts according to rank even though they have the same score. I just took the easy solution of beating everyone's score to avoid the chance of not getting full pts :D

United States Splave says:

then they changed it or its another bug :)

India ksateaaa23 says:

screenshots from the uat server x265 4k & xtu single core globals. gives full globals for ranks 2,3,4,5.......

anyway x265 v 2.2 can be the tie-breaker. will re-run and try to do 0.601+........ 

xtu will remain as a problem. not only for one core but for many non-k chips.....

 

x265 uat.JPG

xtu uat.JPG

Greece George_oc says:

17 hours ago, yosarianilives said:

Although I have nothing to worry as I'm not tied with anyone, for future reference how is 1-5 determined in the case of a tie? Sub date?

Damn dude, I haven't been following hwbot for the past 2-3 months due to work, haven't benched anything! I was amazed though that you managed to get 81 points in XTU and that f*cking 0.61 in x265 :D I must have had like 30 runs at 80 marks for XTU, I tried everything! In the end I told my self that it was not possible to get a better score with 109MHz bclk, you would need even more. You've found the ultimate G470, congrats, nice runs :) My G470 unfortunately only works with single channel now, so I imagine the IMC got hit hard by all this pushing I did :P 

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

10 hours ago, Splave said:

then they changed it or its another bug :)

 

8 hours ago, ksateaaa23 said:

screenshots from the uat server x265 4k & xtu single core globals. gives full globals for ranks 2,3,4,5.......

anyway x265 v 2.2 can be the tie-breaker. will re-run and try to do 0.601+........ 

xtu will remain as a problem. not only for one core but for many non-k chips.....

 

x265 uat.JPG

xtu uat.JPG

Whilst you do get equal points, there's a bonus for places 1-5 for global scores, so your total points will be great for 2nd even if scored the same as 5th for example.

Ranks are done by submission date I believe.

United States yosarianilives says:

30 minutes ago, George_o/c said:

Damn dude, I haven't been following hwbot for the past 2-3 months due to work, haven't benched anything! I was amazed though that you managed to get 81 points in XTU and that f*cking 0.61 in x265 :D I must have had like 30 runs at 80 marks for XTU, I tried everything! In the end I told my self that it was not possible to get a better score with 109MHz bclk, you would need even more. You've found the ultimate G470, congrats, nice runs :) My G470 unfortunately only works with single channel now, so I imagine the IMC got hit hard by all this pushing I did :P 

Lol, was the first run for me on that chip, but was the 4th chip. The secret for me was just out clock everyone :P Was running 109.9 and some tight timings on my psc. Didn't even use the optimal OS for xtu. I actually binned on x265, which was awful to bin on with 40 minute runs. I just ran xtu as an after thought while I ran everything else. 

France bolc says:

4 hours ago, GeorgeStorm said:

 

Whilst you do get equal points, there's a bonus for places 1-5 for global scores, so your total points will be great for 2nd even if scored the same as 5th for example.

Ranks are done by submission date I believe.

date will sort out yes, but since when there is a bonus for first 5 places...? :cry:

global looks ok on the ua for x265 4k, but for xtu, there is obviously a pb with scores, why would #8 score less than 9 or 7 ?

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

There's been a bonus on the top3/5 for a while, just if people ranked the same they'd all be given the bonus type thing as far as I'm aware, whereas now things have changed to try and avoid issues with hundreds of people getting '1st' and reaping the high points associated with it. Gaming the system so to speak.

 

Not an official view but that's my thinking :)

France bolc says:

Luumi and I submitted on 1/25 both 0.6 fps, I believe my screenshot (3am) is earlier than  his (8.30 morning or evening) but I am #6 and he is #5 :D
we don t see time stamp though for the submission, I guess I submitted right away :D
http://hwbot.org/submission/3768609_luumi_hwbot_x265_benchmark___4k_celeron_g470_0.6_fps
http://hwbot.org/submission/3769054_bolc_hwbot_x265_benchmark___4k_celeron_g470_0.6_fps

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

Maybe @richba5tard can comment on that :P

France bolc says:

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/hwbot_x265_benchmark_-_4k/rankings?start=0&cores=1#start=0#interval=20
 

as of #7 and 0.59 fps, all 0.59 get 28.5 pts. glad I worked so hard for 0.6... given I had 0.6 at 12.19 AM :cry:

United States yosarianilives says:

12 minutes ago, bolc said:

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/hwbot_x265_benchmark_-_4k/rankings?start=0&cores=1#start=0#interval=20
 

as of #7 and 0.59 fps, all 0.59 get 28.5 pts. glad I worked so hard for 0.6... given I had 0.6 at 12.19 AM :cry:

.61 wen? :P

France bolc says:

I am left to do 0.6051, but given you did 0.606ish with 109.9 bclk...? I am screwed :D

or hope 2.2 can do miracles :D

United States yosarianilives says:

27 minutes ago, bolc said:

I am left to do 0.6051, but given you did 0.606ish with 109.9 bclk...? I am screwed :D

or hope 2.2 can do miracles :D

I didn't use it at the time, but in later testing I found that the sandy no avx preset may improve performance. Also I didn't use hypers cause I didn't think they'd work, but now I've seen with some better testing that the preset is just crap for hypers and if you all manual they might work some wonders.

France bolc says:

16 hours ago, yosarianilives said:

I didn't use it at the time, but in later testing I found that the sandy no avx preset may improve performance. Also I didn't use hypers cause I didn't think they'd work, but now I've seen with some better testing that the preset is just crap for hypers and if you all manual they might work some wonders.

good to know, I might give a try at 2280+ cas8, but 8 10 8 24 1t with tight subs with psc, against 8 8 8 24 but perhpas with losser subtimings. will see :D

United States yosarianilives says:

1 hour ago, bolc said:

good to know, I might give a try at 2280+ cas8, but 8 10 8 24 1t with tight subs with psc, against 8 8 8 24 but perhpas with losser subtimings. will see :D

Well hyper will be hard to get to higher mhz like 2280, I'm only considering it cause once you get to 109.9 you have to use the 1866 strap which gets me 2050 mhz, where hypers could shine.

France bolc says:

5 hours ago, yosarianilives said:

Well hyper will be hard to get to higher mhz like 2280, I'm only considering it cause once you get to 109.9 you have to use the 1866 strap which gets me 2050 mhz, where hypers could shine.

my kingston hyperx with hyper can do
image.png.b49b55aa6446aef1d2e1fbd8df5c1376.png
(voltage for each stick) so no issue to get 2300 888 24 1t if the imc wants ;)

 

i am more afraid that subtimings will be harder to tighten on hyper than on psc, and I have no bbse capable of similar results, hum,  let me see

I have these crazy bbse that do
image.png.771c617cd679c8aaebc26e2c6aff3ceb.png

didn t know they could go to 2666 cas9 :D might do 2280 cas8.... to check one day

Belgium richba5tard says:

All rankings have been recalculated by yesterday morning. I did some spot checks and did not find any which look odd. Does anyone else find any?

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

I thought things may have been finished as suddenly my rank etc seemed more in line to what it was before the update.

 

Glad to see things are back up and running :D

United Kingdom Noxinite says:

My 32M globals were still broke earlier, but seem fine now.

I also seem to be getting WR pts on subs that get 0 globals??

https://hwbot.org/submission/2915203

Belgium richba5tard says:

31 minutes ago, GeorgeStorm said:

I thought things may have been finished as suddenly my rank etc seemed more in line to what it was before the update.

 

Glad to see things are back up and running :D

Hooray, a lot of effort for status quo! Everybody happy! O.o

Italy hardmad says:

2 hours ago, richba5tard said:

Hooray, a lot of effort for status quo! Everybody happy! O.o

Are Road to Pro Points / 2 included in this ? I've been stuck at 0 since the change began
http://hwbot.org/user/gtijason/

United States niobium615 says:

Overall the rankings are looking a lot better, thanks rich!

The 2C XTU global rankings still seem to be a bit messed up though(lots of subs getting 38.8 global points) : http://hwbot.org/benchmark/xtu/rankings?start=100&cores=2#start=100#interval=20

Finland Tame says:

9 hours ago, richba5tard said:

All rankings have been recalculated by yesterday morning. I did some spot checks and did not find any which look odd. Does anyone else find any?

Take for example Fire Strike global points, if you scroll down enough the rankings (in rank 100+ range) you suddenly start encountering 38.6 gl points. Looks like there's still some calc to do.

Australia jordan.hyde99 says:

http://hwbot.org/submission/3485313_jordan_hyde99_3dmark03_geforce_gtx_580_107823_marks This doesn't seem right?

Belgium richba5tard says:

7 hours ago, niobium615 said:

Overall the rankings are looking a lot better, thanks rich!

The 2C XTU global rankings still seem to be a bit messed up though(lots of subs getting 38.8 global points) : http://hwbot.org/benchmark/xtu/rankings?start=100&cores=2#start=100#interval=20

Ah yes, submissions ranked 100 to 200 have not explicitly been refreshed. Doing this now...

stivut says:

Submissions with fake global points:

http://hwbot.org/submission/2334234_anderson6060_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_580_117894_marks

http://hwbot.org/submission/3762089_adventurepo_cinebench___r15_core_i7_8700k_1699_cb

http://hwbot.org/submission/2353756_stu_a_msd_3dmark11___performance_2x_radeon_hd_7970_18248_marks

http://hwbot.org/submission/2355817_stu_a_msd_3dmark___fire_strike_radeon_hd_7970_8731_marks

http://hwbot.org/submission/2355820_stu_a_msd_3dmark___fire_strike_extreme_radeon_hd_7970_4254_marks

http://hwbot.org/submission/2412349_stu_a_msd_xtu_core_i7_3770k_942_marks

http://hwbot.org/submission/3471106_deocer_gpupi_for_cpu___1b_core_i7_7700k_5min_16sec_268ms

http://hwbot.org/submission/3471346_deocer_wprime___1024m_core_i7_7700k_2min_6sec_887ms

http://hwbot.org/submission/3471053_deocer_pifast_core_i7_7700k_12sec_440ms

http://hwbot.org/submission/3801276_avalanche_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_gtx_970_11558_marks

http://hwbot.org/submission/3714371_avalanche_memory_frequency_ddr4_sdram_2201.2_mhz

http://hwbot.org/submission/3486311_iji_superpi___32m_core_i7_7700k_5min_58sec_936ms

http://hwbot.org/submission/3493678_iji_wprime___1024m_core_i7_7700k_2min_4sec_86ms

http://hwbot.org/submission/2474679_atisoc0936_3dmark03_radeon_hd_6950_89892_marks

http://hwbot.org/submission/2474681_atisoc0936_3dmark05_radeon_hd_6950_37984_marks

http://hwbot.org/submission/2844405_nata_58_wprime___1024m_core_i7_4790k_2min_24sec_952ms

http://hwbot.org/submission/2825166_nata_58_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_580_129876_marks

...and many many others that put their owners in higher position in league rankings.

The rankings are still messed up.

Belgium richba5tard says:

Read my post above, if hardware rank is >100 points are not yet recalculated.

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

im gunna say something here, no offence to anyone but this is getting out of hand, do you think these guys are not trying to fix this problem on BOT>>>>?????.  why the hell dont you all just shut the fuck up, wait and let them do their job theyre tryin to do to get it right, ????, richbastard. and all the others in BOT  that give their time . effort, for nothing, you ungrateful pricks, ) this is a free show here) and have been left with a heap of shit to clean up, yes its going to take time, so stop all the bullshit with and why isnt my scores or points been calculated and done yet, the more you fools do this , the more time it takes for them to look at all your whinging and deal with that, then get on with doing what theyre trying to do for every one,  and fot bot, try to get things in order, deal with CPUZ' s  crap. and all the the rest of the other benches that arent up to scratch, no fault of BOT, they just gotta deal with it for who ??? YOU that want to bench who and when what you want to, so get off your high horses and get down to ground level again, become real and give the guys a go at it, all this bullshit youre going on with is just making things take longer for your benefit, so support it , let them do it right and get it done, is it gunna kill ya not to see "your" points there ??????????? or are you that VAIN, that you need to see that in  BOT to make you feel worthwhile, if so you got big problems already , and nothing to do with BOT ??????!!!!!! 

and for you blokes that dont know what i and it means

The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour...unless you make change !

 

Canada P_6_Canuck says:

Your points are well taken Tom, we the greater community are mostly either ignorant or incidentally take for granted the huge amount of work that goes on behind the scoreboards to keep the Bot up, running and growing. It's no doubt a lot of real work, that requires knowledgeable expertise, determination and patience that I suspect isn't adequately, if at all appropriately enumerated. Perhaps we can all take a moment and thank all those past and present who have and continue to labor making this 24/7, 365 days a year, global venue possible, and for any who have been bitten by the OC bug a hell of a lot of fun... SOOO a big sincere thanks to you all. That said I would like to suggest for future reference; if there is going to be a big and prolonged overhaul of the engine, take a little more time and make a concerted effort to adequately explain it to the community. The more detailed the better, and considerably more than has currently been the case might nip a range of problems in the bud. State a schedule, even if it has to be revised, underscore that members ranking will potentially be fluctuating wildly as the changes progress throw the system. My own have in the course of this update nearly quadrupled at a point (that was thoroughly entertaining) before finally settling down about where I would say is a factually accurate. Anyway my 2 cent is now spent, Cheers Bots, thanks for your hard work.

Belgium richba5tard says:

Thanks grantgibson for the support!

I'm on holiday at the moment so I was not able to check the recalc for submissions with a rank > 100 properly, and it seems to have quit shortly after I pushed the button a few days ago. Darn! I've rescheduled it again and it seems to work fine currently. So to summarize, all submissions with a hardware rank <= 100 are properly recalculated for rev7.1, but if the hw rank is > 100 it is still being calculated.

Russian Federation Antinomy says:

Strangely enough, UCbench results give points though the whole benchmark was removed from HWBot.

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/ucbench_2011/rankings?cores=2#start=0#interval=20

Greece TASOS says:

On 4/5/2018 at 11:00 PM, richba5tard said:

.... So to summarize, all submissions with a hardware rank <= 100 are properly recalculated for rev7.1, but if the hw rank is > 100 it is still being calculated.

 

On 4/6/2018 at 12:54 AM, Antinomy said:

Strangely enough, UCbench results give points though the whole benchmark was removed from HWBot.

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/ucbench_2011/rankings?cores=2#start=0#interval=20

 

Frederik

Any updates on these ?

Belgium leeghoofd says:

He's on holiday till today... he will get back to stuff

Belgium richba5tard says:

9 hours ago, TASOS said:

 

 

Frederik

Any updates on these ?

Yes, I'm testing the code on the uat server.

France bolc says:

Hi :)

Has the dust settled done, are all HW and GL now properly calculated?

 

I have a question on the side. If someone has mis-submitted a score placing him, say 5th. When he deletes/edits his sub, will previous #6  7 etc becoming #5 #6 etc, get more points than what they had ?

Cheers

++

Aleslammer says:

Have multiple places where this Cat is not working right. 

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Strunkenbold says:

Is there a recalculation planned for results which dont appear in a ranking? There were quite some results which got not properly synced to a ranking.

Belgium richba5tard says:

3 hours ago, Strunkenbold said:

Is there a recalculation planned for results which dont appear in a ranking? There were quite some results which got not properly synced to a ranking.

Can you give an example?

Strunkenbold says:

3 hours ago, richba5tard said:

Can you give an example?

http://hwbot.org/submission/3807142_k.j._superpi___1m_core_i7_8700k_6sec_219ms

http://hwbot.org/submission/3757303_alexwu_superpi___1m_core_i7_8700k_5sec_679ms

http://hwbot.org/submission/3783335_pyon400_superpi___1m_core_i7_8700k_6sec_272ms

 

Could the engine trigger a recalculation for results with better score than the actual best? 

Belgium richba5tard says:

If i trigger recalculate now than the better submission is ranked properly. I think there was a period of time in March where the best submission logic did not work wel. Does this still occur with submissions made in April?

Strunkenbold says:

In my experience, the rank synchronization is now working better than it ever did in the past years. 

But in the last 3 months it was pretty non functional for some benchmarks. Like 3D mark firestrike was working quite good but superpi or 3dmark 03 needed manual recalculation. 

Seems this is a problem since the beginning. I see 10 year old submissions floating around which never appeared in a ranking. 

Strunkenbold says:

Have to take this back.

Still seeing results which get not synced. Really wondering whats the problem. SuperPi 1M seems to be problematic.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3836738

http://hwbot.org/submission/3837231 <-- I tried to recalculate this

Belgium richba5tard says:

I found an issue that when a new top score is submitted (global or wr), the hw points would be reset to minimum in many cases. I've fixed this and tested it for GPU 1B, where the rankings are now ok. I'm triggering a global recalc.

Belgium richba5tard says:

On 4/20/2018 at 6:45 PM, Strunkenbold said:

Have to take this back.

Still seeing results which get not synced. Really wondering whats the problem. SuperPi 1M seems to be problematic.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3836738

http://hwbot.org/submission/3837231 <-- I tried to recalculate this

But those are not there best hw submission...?

Strunkenbold says:

10 hours ago, richba5tard said:

But those are not there best hw submission...?

Oh correct, but then we have a bad link. Because when I click on his best Submission I just get a:

Woopsie. A server error occured. Error 500

If this happens often, we'll take a look at it.

http://hwbot.org/submission/ Slot A)/better/Hardware/

Looks like there is a Problem how hwbot parse the category Name.

Belgium richba5tard says:

Indeed, I can make it more robust but rev7.1 polishing comes first, otherwise it keeps distracting me.

Recalc is 20% done after approx 20h, so I guess it will take 3 - 4 days to complete.

Belgium richba5tard says:

Can anyone spot broken GPU 1B rankings? Or UNIGINE SUPERPOSITION - 8K? Those are already completed.

Greece OGS says:

are these broken or its normal due to the score difference vs 1st place?
http://prntscr.com/j96qwa

Belgium richba5tard says:

8 hours ago, FireKillerGR said:

are these broken or its normal due to the score difference vs 1st place?
http://prntscr.com/j96qwa

Correct due to score difference.

Currently at 40% recalculated.

Argentina Alan_Alberino says:

Catzilla 720p gives globals and WR but doesn't give HW Points? WTF

Belgium richba5tard says:

60% done

@Alan_Alberino this has been discussed before.

Russian Federation Antinomy says:

Should recalculation take care of these dupes?
http://hwbot.org/submission/2622117_mattdj_aquamark_radeon_hd_5570_(gddr3_redwood)_134166_marks/
Hangs more than a week.

Belgium richba5tard says:

Explain dupe?

Recalc fully done.

United States niobium615 says:

Not sure if this latest recalc was supposed to fix them, but the 32M global ranking is still broken : http://hwbot.org/benchmark/superpi_-_32m/rankings?start=0#start=0#interval=20

United States yosarianilives says:

I subbed this on Monday night and it's still not getting pts. Is this part of the issue with hw pts still? http://hwbot.org/submission/3840477_

Russian Federation Antinomy says:

2 hours ago, richba5tard said:

Explain dupe?

Recalc fully done.

There's two results,
http://hwbot.org/submission/2624689_mattdj_aquamark_radeon_hd_5570_(gddr3_redwood)_139187_marks/
http://hwbot.org/submission/2622117_mattdj_aquamark_radeon_hd_5570_(gddr3_redwood)_134166_marks/

Both are in rankings and both have points. Obviously, a bug.

Belgium richba5tard says:

It's a bug alright but nothing to do with rev7.1 point calculation. The detection and marking of best hw/gl submissions is a seperate thing.

Belgium richba5tard says:

9 hours ago, yosarianilives said:

I subbed this on Monday night and it's still not getting pts. Is this part of the issue with hw pts still? http://hwbot.org/submission/3840477_

There was a temporary transaction deadlock when you submitted. it;s ok now.

Belgium richba5tard says:

Anyone found a broken ranking?

Belgium richba5tard says:

13 hours and no one complained. This is a new high for rev7!

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

1 hour ago, richba5tard said:

13 hours and no one complained. This is a new high for rev7!

been a long hard frustrating ride for you and the guys fred, well done boys 🤝🤞

Australia zeropluszero says:

we're just bored of it by now.

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

40 minutes ago, zeropluszero said:

we're just bored of it by now.

you think they arent too, theyre doing it trying to get things fixed for all ???, instead of being a bucket mouth and baggin, try helping, encouragement always beats a negative, i dont like ya mate, never have, youre a typical smart arse,  a few manners cost nothing, guess you gotta learn those yet 🖕

Puerto Rico MrPaco says:

On 4/26/2018 at 4:15 AM, richba5tard said:

Anyone found a broken ranking?

Not sure if it falls under the recalculation or something else, but my Road to Pro points dont show. If I understand it correctly I should be showing 70.4 for my chosen Division-1 under my World Ranking for the past year.

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United States marco.is.not.80 says:

^^^ join the club.

Shadyreaper says:

hell mine are all screwed up too I should have 443 points just from challenger division points I got 341 and that doesnt include the other 300 pro division points that are missing 

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

What div have you chosen? Remember you only get half of your chosen division's points.

Shadyreaper says:

2 minutes ago, GeorgeStorm said:

What div have you chosen? Remember you only get half of your chosen division's points.

Yea George I took into account also that is what gave me the 341 points just D3 points halved that doesnt include the other all my road to pro points and D7 points are missing 

 

 

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United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

No idea about div7, but was just checking since you seemed to think you should have 443?

Shadyreaper says:

yea I didnt notice I lost a few points from last years that fell off :(

Shadyreaper says:

so that part was an error on me but still as I said shouldnt I have more then just the 341 seeing as I had D7 and RTP points also 

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

If you chose Div3 then you'll only get half of the points from that division, so no points from div7 or road to pro I think.

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

Sadly looks like there are still issues, gtx670 vantage ranking seems broken. @richba5tard

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/3dmark_vantage_-_performance/rankings?hardwareTypeId=videocard_1932&cores=1#start=0#interval=20

Teammate also seemed to lose a score from it, resubbed this morning

Shadyreaper says:

13 hours ago, GeorgeStorm said:

If you chose Div3 then you'll only get half of the points from that division, so no points from div7 or road to pro I think.

well that sucks then anyway you look at it you can only compete in one division and either your gonna get full points or half of just that division is stupid AF then there is no reason to compete in other divisions which is gonna end up upsetting people til they quit so now you are being forced into one challenger division even tho all your points in my eyes should be halved unless you pick a certain division then you should get full points for that division and half for the rest not just half of the division they are trying to force on you do you think its fair to force people to only compete in 1 division to get points and their other hard work in others dont get counted??? hell that section is clearly labeled Road to Pro Division points so I dont see how only D3 counts when I have other RTP points the system is broken to me it just doesnt seem right that only half your points of a single division is counted unless you pick a division and what happens when you do that do you get the full point for like say D3 I pick what about the rest of my hard work in other divisions thats just fluff right? wasted time? HWBot is falling apart the next rounds of challenger arent even posted and shouldnt the next rounds start the 1st in 2 days they arent even updated in the oc-esports page :( Im not trying to bitch and complain here I am just stating facts about what I see here and how the points for that should work cause right now its broken I love competing with all you guys its what makes HWBot fun and I dont wanna see HWBot end up in the ditch 

United States Mr.Scott says:

If you're in it for the competition and fun, ignore the points. They don't mean anything. ;)

Don't play for the rating, play because you like to.

Shadyreaper says:

4 minutes ago, Mr.Scott said:

If you're in it for the competition and fun, ignore the points. They don't mean anything. ;)

Don't play for the rating, play because you like to.

that is why I stay I love competing I am just saying it could make others not want to be here and that makes less competition which aint no fun either fixing the points system would keep a lot of competitors here and make it easier to bring in new fresh people to compete with Id like to see this community grow more and more and with a broken system to keep track of everything bringing in new people wont be easy it bring in yea there will be those that dont care but it could steer potential people away and I would hate to see that  

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

4 hours ago, Shadyreaper said:

well that sucks then anyway you look at it you can only compete in one division and either your gonna get full points or half of just that division is stupid AF then there is no reason to compete in other divisions which is gonna end up upsetting people til they quit so now you are being forced into one challenger division even tho all your points in my eyes should be halved unless you pick a certain division then you should get full points for that division and half for the rest not just half of the division they are trying to force on you do you think its fair to force people to only compete in 1 division to get points and their other hard work in others dont get counted??? hell that section is clearly labeled Road to Pro Division points so I dont see how only D3 counts when I have other RTP points the system is broken to me it just doesnt seem right that only half your points of a single division is counted unless you pick a division and what happens when you do that do you get the full point for like say D3 I pick what about the rest of my hard work in other divisions thats just fluff right? wasted time? HWBot is falling apart the next rounds of challenger arent even posted and shouldnt the next rounds start the 1st in 2 days they arent even updated in the oc-esports page :( Im not trying to bitch and complain here I am just stating facts about what I see here and how the points for that should work cause right now its broken I love competing with all you guys its what makes HWBot fun and I dont wanna see HWBot end up in the ditch 

Much in the same way only the top 15 globals and top 40 hw count towards your total, they changed it to only 1 div, and then half of that as otherwise other comps were completely swamped by the road to pro series, and it just massively favoured those with lots of hw, and I think they wanted to avoid that a little, since the global and hw rankings often favour those.

 

oc-esports is an extra thing that came about I don't know when, and currently isn't a priority due to the limited people who are 'working' at hwbot I believe.

Belgium richba5tard says:

15 hours ago, GeorgeStorm said:

Sadly looks like there are still issues, gtx670 vantage ranking seems broken. @richba5tard

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/3dmark_vantage_-_performance/rankings?hardwareTypeId=videocard_1932&cores=1#start=0#interval=20

Teammate also seemed to lose a score from it, resubbed this morning

I see 46.7pts for first spot going down to 14.6pts for 20th. Seems normal?

Belgium richba5tard says:

On 4/27/2018 at 9:07 PM, mr.paco said:

Not sure if it falls under the recalculation or something else, but my Road to Pro points dont show. If I understand it correctly I should be showing 70.4 for my chosen Division-1 under my World Ranking for the past year.

points.png

Thanks for reporting, looking into it tomorrow morning.

Belgium richba5tard says:

If anyone spots a broken ranking, please make a screenshot. As the last reports always looked fine when I got around to check it. Thanks!

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

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Pifast ranking seems to have reset/borked itself.

Belgium richba5tard says:

Thanks George!

- edit:

Okay, triggering a recalc of position #1 fixes this, but now I've got to find out how it was possible that the points decreased all of the sudden. I think the most likely scenario is someone submitted a wrong pifast world record (eg 8 seconds), which triggered a full recalc with a new WR to compare to (making everyone lose points). After that, the submission got deleted, and the rankings did not recalculate (which they should). That is my current hypothesis which I'm trying to reproduce. Just thinking out loud so you guys now what is going on. :)

United Kingdom Dragon Soop says:

I think my road to pro also needs fixed as shown in the attached photos?

Thanks

 

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road to pro_2.JPG

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

4 hours ago, richba5tard said:

Thanks George!

- edit:

Okay, triggering a recalc of position #1 fixes this, but now I've got to find out how it was possible that the points decreased all of the sudden. I think the most likely scenario is someone submitted a wrong pifast world record (eg 8 seconds), which triggered a full recalc with a new WR to compare to (making everyone lose points). After that, the submission got deleted, and the rankings did not recalculate (which they should). That is my current hypothesis which I'm trying to reproduce. Just thinking out loud so you guys now what is going on. :)

This actually relates to something I've thought for a while ever since I signed up to get the emails of new WRs etc.

Maybe new WRs/GFP scores need mod/admin approval? Stops people having stupid points on the front page with a completely invalid score, and if it does also cause this then it would stop that as well. Obviously would mean they don't get their score straight away but if a popup could appear when the sub is made to explain because it's a new WR/GFP or whatever it requires admin approval I think it would be ok?

United States yosarianilives says:

53 minutes ago, GeorgeStorm said:

This actually relates to something I've thought for a while ever since I signed up to get the emails of new WRs etc.

Maybe new WRs/GFP scores need mod/admin approval? Stops people having stupid points on the front page with a completely invalid score, and if it does also cause this then it would stop that as well. Obviously would mean they don't get their score straight away but if a popup could appear when the sub is made to explain because it's a new WR/GFP or whatever it requires admin approval I think it would be ok?

What about hwfp? These should have the same issue right? But I think that admin approval for every hwfp might be a bit of a drain on resources.

Belgium richba5tard says:

Manual approval of WR's has been talked about since the beginning of HWBOT, but requires manual resources we don't have, and is a PITA during competitions where new hardware is launched. Sandbagging & WRs would not go together.

In the meanwhile I was able to reproduce the submit WR & delete issue, which is now fixed on production too. As a side effect it takes a long time to delete a WR, but I can make this asynchronous in the future.

This was the last reported issue of rev7.1, if I ignore the old (pre rev7) issue that some submissions are incorrectly marked as "best submission of a user" and appear twice in a ranking.

United States marco.is.not.80 says:

Richba5tard - can you please check mine?

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Belgium richba5tard says:

Right, road to pro points. Darn, sorry about that. Just one more thing to fix (tm).

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

19 minutes ago, richba5tard said:

Right, road to pro points. Darn, sorry about that. Just one more thing to fix (tm).

Famous last words :D

Australia cbjaust says:

I had Road to Pro points from my Div II score but my Div IV points are higher and I prefer Division IV anyway so I selected Division IV expecting half of the Div IV points to show up but instead I get 0... Oh Well.
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Belgium richba5tard says:

competition points are fixed now too. be aware only the division you selected in your account count!

 

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United States marco.is.not.80 says:

Thanks so much - finally my account and my standings and everything else seem stable and yes, understood re: points for whatever division I choose in my account settings.

Thanks, richba5tard!

Aleslammer says:

I did a bad, sub'd a L5530 WP32 score as an E5504 deleted the new score and hit recalc on the old one all the other points stayed at .2.

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/wprime_-_32m/rankings?hardwareTypeId=processor_1864&cores=4#start=0#interval=20

 

unknown simonesanto91 says:

@richba5stard  I wrote you in pvt

United States yosarianilives says:

Just looked at my scores again, and it seems there are still some scores that do not receive pts. Just found my i7 2600 XTU score for example, and it's not taking part in rankings http://hwbot.org/submission/3800830_yosarianilives_xtu_core_i7_2600_876_marks

Greece TASOS says:

@richba5tard

It's been a month since i reported (in pm) some issues regarding my Team Rankings and especially about a certain team member.

Nothing is fixed till now.

I dont know if you had time to take a look.

 

 

 

 

 

 

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

GB4 singlecore ranking broke the other day and hasn't fixed itself.

New scores and if you manually recalc your score fixes it but yeah...

Strunkenbold says:

Ranking is still broken. Here is just a screenshot of CB15. All other benchmarks are broken too.

Also if you moderate the first place in a ranking, the second place should automatically move itself to the first position but thats not happening.

DeepinBildschirmfoto_20180525175615.jpg

Belgium richba5tard says:

Any ideas how a ranking becomes screwed?

- edit:

When thinkering on UAT with submit/edit/delete functionality I noticed the rankings don't fully update or deadlock when you modify your score after submission. I've improved this and patched it to production.

unknown simonesanto91 says:

@richba5tard 

I need your help, I wrote you in pvt and on FB as well.

Strunkenbold says:

Well even after a recalculation, the bot fails to see 15 people in a ranking.

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India ksateaaa23 says:

suddenly my celeron g470 xtu globals have become zero.........

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Belgium richba5tard says:

20 hours ago, ksateaaa23 said:

suddenly my celeron g470 xtu globals have become zero.........

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The submission is not marked your best (global) submission, but it is your best hw submission. I think this is incorrect. You used to have global points for this?

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

Clicking on the best submission button on that score gives you the error 500 page.

Australia zeropluszero says:

Some questions. 

1. Why are there no globals for 06? 

2. Catzilla 720p has WR points, Global points, but no HW points?

Belgium richba5tard says:

10 hours ago, GeorgeStorm said:

Clicking on the best submission button on that score gives you the error 500 page.

Yes, if the submissions is not marked as "best score for this user in this ranking", you will see the link. But the link will not work if there is no better score. The code to detect best score is wonky.

India ksateaaa23 says:

11 hours ago, richba5tard said:

The submission is not marked your best (global) submission, but it is your best hw submission. I think this is incorrect. You used to have global points for this?

i had global points for this submission two days back. (and yes, this is my best hw submission)

Belgium richba5tard says:

Did you make an incorrect submission for the same benchmark and delete/edit it in the past 2 days? Anything else you can think of why it would no longer be marked as best submission?

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

4 hours ago, richba5tard said:

Yes, if the submissions is not marked as "best score for this user in this ranking", you will see the link. But the link will not work if there is no better score. The code to detect best score is wonky.

Yeah I'm aware, just pointing out since you'd said it wasn't marked as his best (when it should have been).

 

Really hope these things can get sorted.

India ksateaaa23 says:

2 hours ago, richba5tard said:

Did you make an incorrect submission for the same benchmark and delete/edit it in the past 2 days? Anything else you can think of why it would no longer be marked as best submission?

loked like i lost some global points. so i just hit the recalculate button.

i have exactly similar issue two days back. i have submitted geekbench 4 single core with i3 7350k twice. initially no points for both. then showing points for both. so i have deleted one of the submission. initially got 3.7 globals and now no globals.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3862518_ksateaaa23_geekbench4___single_core_core_i3_7350k_7049_points/

 

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Belgium richba5tard says:

I found and fixed a major issue in the code that decides whether the submission is the best global submission for that user or not. Seems that fixed your submission, ksateaaa23.

India ksateaaa23 says:

4 minutes ago, richba5tard said:

I found and fixed a major issue in the code that decides whether the submission is the best global submission for that user or not. Seems that fixed your submission, ksateaaa23.

thank you. now both my submisions are fixed and i got globals.

United Kingdom Matt26LFC says:

Looks like scores are bugged here too?

I also have two scores listed, the faster if my new one today.  I've recalculated the slower one to try and get rid of it but it remains atm

7970Scores.jpg

Strunkenbold says:

http://hwbot.org/submission/2550764_delly_pifast_a10_7700k_25sec_440ms

So I just moderated the first spot but the result doesnt move from second position.

However its correctly ranked 1st in the ranking but points are still broken.

 

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Poland ADVenturePO says:

Hello OCKLz!
 

Check my profile, for submissions since  approx. 15 days ago  I should earn about 50 WR points and double in HW. The point are listed only at the submission page. 

Nor at "My wall", not being seen at scores. 

last time in march it took 2 weeks. 
 

Like: http://hwbot.org/submission/3863551_

points never came...

It was 620 WP and it still is 620.1 (don't remember if the 0.1 was there) :)

United States niobium615 says:

There seems to be a rather strange issue with the GT1030 GDDR5 ranking summary page, it's throwing an error when loading the superposition subs.  It's unique to that GPU though, so I'm not sure what's going on.

 

On an unrelated note, are there any plans to start fulfilling name change requests again any time soon?

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Greece TASOS says:

@richba5tard

Does UCBench 2011 , still contribute points to the Team total ?

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/ucbench_2011/

 

Greece George_oc says:

49 minutes ago, TASOS said:

@richba5tard

Does UCBench 2011 , still contribute points to the Team total ?

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/ucbench_2011/

 

It's not supposed to 😛 

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

11 hours ago, ADVenturePO said:

Hello OCKLz!
 

Check my profile, for submissions since  approx. 15 days ago  I should earn about 50 WR points and double in HW. The point are listed only at the submission page. 

Nor at "My wall", not being seen at scores. 

last time in march it took 2 weeks. 
 

Like: http://hwbot.org/submission/3863551_

points never came...

It was 620 WP and it still is 620.1 (don't remember if the 0.1 was there) :)

I see the points on the submission page, but your global/hw totals both look correct? It shouldn't be on either as it's not high enough?

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

in all my time on bot ive never seen a revision have all these continual complaints about peoples points, postions, comps, something isnt right is it, all the supposed fixes are clearly not working otherwise people wouldnt be asking why  would they,? and individual fixes wouldnt have to be done if they were would they, or am i wrong ? from inception this revision has been "bugged " if you like, but the fixes keep on going, my question is, it it going to be fixed properly, so people dont have to worry about their points , rankings, seems after 6 mths or more its still the same deal....bugged, , now if that was a submission / submissions that was bugged it'd be  delete it wouldnt it??? as they are, jesus you cant even get a comp running right without changing stuff after its started then make excuses for it after it, why cant all this be done b4 hand so you have no dramas with things for you and everyone or am i reading this wrong?, im sure others will back what ive said, its all been there to see hasnt it !!! 

Belgium leeghoofd says:

Thank you for another constructive input... at least we provide you plenty of opportunities to ventilate... Aussie style

Australia zeropluszero says:

9 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:

Thank you for another constructive input... at least we provide you plenty of opportunities to ventilate... Aussie style

Dont lump him in with us.

20 hours ago, ozzie said:

in all my time on bot ive never seen a revision have all these continual complaints about peoples points, postions, comps, something isnt right is it, all the supposed fixes are clearly not working otherwise people wouldnt be asking why  would they,? and individual fixes wouldnt have to be done if they were would they, or am i wrong ? from inception this revision has been "bugged " if you like, but the fixes keep on going, my question is, it it going to be fixed properly, so people dont have to worry about their points , rankings, seems after 6 mths or more its still the same deal....bugged, , now if that was a submission / submissions that was bugged it'd be  delete it wouldnt it??? as they are, jesus you cant even get a comp running right without changing stuff after its started then make excuses for it after it, why cant all this be done b4 hand so you have no dramas with things for you and everyone or am i reading this wrong?, im sure others will back what ive said, its all been there to see hasnt it !!! 

i-pay-nothing-for-hwbot-massman-richbast

United Kingdom Noxinite says:

Old, but apt meme.

Also, it looks like all the benches which don't give user points are still giving team power points.

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

youre welcome, least im honest and im right to , i know you blokes have had a rough time of it but seems to be 1 thing after the other that other people are complaining about,

and i wouldnt want to be lumped with you or your team zero, if youre any example of it

Greece TASOS says:

7 hours ago, Noxinite said:

Also, it looks like all the benches which don't give user points are still giving team power points.

This fix should be given a higher priority

Cause it affects Team Rankings a lot.

Can you link here the other (besides UCBench) bench ranks , you spotted ?

 

 

United Kingdom Noxinite says:

5 hours ago, TASOS said:

This fix should be given a higher priority

Cause it affects Team Rankings a lot.

Can you link here the other (besides UCBench) bench ranks , you spotted ?

 

 

Of the top of my head GB4 multi.

United States bigblock990 says:

Looks like gtx 680 heaven extreme ranking is broken.

 

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Poland ADVenturePO says:

On 6/3/2018 at 10:15 AM, GeorgeStorm said:

I see the points on the submission page, but your global/hw totals both look correct? It shouldn't be on either as it's not high enough?

Damn You're right now the 19,7 is my least score in main 15 Global.... damn...;) 
Thanks GeorgeStorn ;)

Belgium richba5tard says:

On 6/4/2018 at 4:15 PM, TASOS said:

This fix should be given a higher priority

Cause it affects Team Rankings a lot.

Can you link here the other (besides UCBench) bench ranks , you spotted ?

 

 

checking code...

Belgium richba5tard says:

49 minutes ago, richba5tard said:

checking code...

You guys are correct, the team power points are calculated no matter whether the application is marked as global/hw points or not. It has been so since conception of TPP though... shall I change this or not?

United Kingdom Noxinite says:

Surely if the bench has been judged to be unsuitable for user points, then it would also be unsuitable for team points?

Belgium richba5tard says:

Sounds right but why has no-one noticed this in the past few years? 😯TPP is not really a new concept. 

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

8700k r15 seems to be broken as well.

United States Mr.Scott says:

4 hours ago, richba5tard said:

You guys are correct, the team power points are calculated no matter whether the application is marked as global/hw points or not. It has been so since conception of TPP though... shall I change this or not?

Sounds right but why has no-one noticed this in the past few years? 😯TPP is not really a new concept. 

It's been this way forever. Leave it alone.

Not happy with your team's standings?, act as a team.

You bench everything. GL/HW points or not.

You want to pick and choose only high points benches, you leave some team points on the table. Seems fair to me.

You don't punish active benching. You promote it.

Australia avalanche says:

Aye Captain. Too many changes already this year

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

35 minutes ago, Mr.Scott said:

It's been this way forever. Leave it alone.

Not happy with your team's standings?, act as a team.

^^^^^ this

United States Mr.Scott says:

You wanna see the real team standings, remove TPP from all inactive users after say, 2 years of inactivity.

Australia macsbeach98 says:

Leave TPP alone all this no points these days for a new person they might get what 0.2 points for a lower score but they also get a couple of Team Power Points which gives them some enthusiasm to continue at least they are getting something.

When I first started I thought I will give this a go and was using Socket A which I had 2 solid state drives in Raid 0 it was just the way I had it setup and a Gainward 7800GS and was getting points and Gold Cups for PCM04 and 05 and I was hooked for SPI, wprime and such I sucked and was getting 0.1 points or thereabouts.

If it hadnt of been for the points I was getting for 04/05 and the TPP I probably would of just walked away.

You are supposed to be making it attractive for new members to join and have fun not just the people that are experienced and have the latest and greatest binned hardware.

Giving no points weather it be user points or TPP doesnt make it look very good for new members.

Not many worry about Team points anyway so why change it.

United States Mr.Scott says:

7 minutes ago, macsbeach98 said:

 

Not many worry about Team points anyway so why change it.

You change it when you are not happy with your team standings and there's no other way out.

This is a witchhunt. You tell me which team is going to take the biggest hit if those points are removed. I already know the answer. So do you.

Australia avalanche says:

7x revisions Mr Scott, same as throwing out 7x anchors to slow the Warp9 dreadnought advance

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

 

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

well i spose the best outcome out of all this is that you blokes will be able to watch a bloody good movie , 😀

Greece TASOS says:

10 hours ago, richba5tard said:

You guys are correct, the team power points are calculated no matter whether the application is marked as global/hw points or not. It has been so since conception of TPP though... shall I change this or not?

When you remove a benchmark , like  lets say UCBench or PcMark ... or whatever , you do it for a reason.

Because the benchmark is vulnerable not bullet proof or for any other reason.

Example

Team A , benches legally with default settings and gets as top spot , rank 100 and team B benches with altered batch size and gets ranking 1 ... is that consided fair ?

You wanna keep TPP for such cases ?

When a benchmark is out of hwbot point system ... its out , period.

Keep the position rankings for history purposes , but deleted all kind of points.

10 hours ago, Noxinite said:

Surely if the bench has been judged to be unsuitable for user points, then it would also be unsuitable for team points?

I agree with you.

Australia avalanche says:

19 minutes ago, TASOS said:

When you remove a benchmark , like  lets say UCBench or PcMark ... or whatever , you do it for a reason.

Because the benchmark is vulnerable not bullet proof or for any other reason.

 

... and if your monitor pullers & pc clocks forward <> back super stars left crap alone = more benches to do legit & make points. :P

Get sick of this crap all to do with a few gangster magic tweakers. Just kill points on 3D03 & Aqua as well ... 

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Is this the new HWbot 7 really? Killing points we can just race for gold cups

 

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

do it bot, do it,i dare you?? you cant even get what you got going now right....the old saying, dont shit in others back yards before you know yours is clean, and yours is far from being squeaky clean isnt it

you dont like me, fair, i dont like you , why i dont like you is coz you have all this bullshit, least im man enough to say so, grow some balls!!!!

Sweden Rauf says:

Appreciate all the work to fix the rankings. But it seems issues keep appearing no matter what is done. Makes one think what it is all for? Do anyone really care about the rankings anymore? I'm sure the few pros left only bench for records, not for points. Others bench for hw golds or a good position in the global rankings of some benchmark. But does anyone care about an overall ranking anymore?

Maybe consider removing all points and just keep it as a pure database. Or if you really want to keep the points, remove the complex algorithms and just do percentage of top score. 99% = 99 points etc.

Strunkenbold says:

If you want to keep TPP alive for all benchmark's, you will need to delete those bench's from the website.

Some of those bench's got points disabled for a reason. Keeping points alive would mean we have to moderate those results though we explicitly disabled points for them. Those benchmark's should have no impact on any ranking, actually don't even give cups.

Australia avalanche says:

5 minutes ago, Strunkenbold said:

If you want to keep TPP alive for all benchmark's, you will need to delete those bench's from the website.

Some of those bench's got points disabled for a reason. Keeping points alive would mean we have to moderate those results though we explicitly disabled points for them. Those benchmark's should have no impact on any ranking, actually don't even give cups.

Disabled for a reason? LoL due to exploits & thought cheaters. 

Moderators here can easy see a score out of line ... then a whole bunch of butthurts alert when their #1 score is busted easily.

Though your big guns can mess around super tweaking & perhaps a score is taken down.

200 thousand regular overclockers loose points personal & team for doing the right thing. Bench points disabled.

 

Strunkenbold says:

2 minutes ago, Rauf said:

 Or if you really want to keep the points, remove the complex algorithms and just do percentage of top score. 99% = 99 points etc.

Agree here. Very good point.

Those things turned out as way too complex to handle. The rankings are now broken for years. It's time that we return to something easy.

You should realize that the moment when you hire a math genius to develop an ultra complex formula is a fail. Those things have always to be easy and understandable.

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

obviously fred youve allowed dicks to run this place for way too long, now you gotta come clean it up, we all know that but nothing is happening and thats "your" fault, you own it, but the buck stops with you mate, same as me here , if i fuck up i cop it , and you cop the same mate, pwn it and get it fixed or give it away, no wonder michael pulled the pin , he saw this coming a mile off and still tried to help but the same thing all over again, you can call me critical, fine, you have a service here for all, its yours yes ??, i offered a suggestion 3-4 yrs ago now to pay 10$ a year to be a bot member to try help and run things as the bot team was complaining of no money, now $10 from every submitting member would cover everything or certainly help but no go , no answer, other than some one saying it wont work lol, wh y wont it, tax reasons i dunno??, clearly something isnt working right for ya

Australia avalanche says:

12 minutes ago, Rauf said:

Appreciate all the work to fix the rankings. But it seems issues keep appearing no matter what is done. Makes one think what it is all for? Do anyone really care about the rankings anymore? I'm sure the few pros left only bench for records, not for points. Others bench for hw golds or a good position in the global rankings of some benchmark. But does anyone care about an overall ranking anymore?

Maybe consider removing all points and just keep it as a pure database. Or if you really want to keep the points, remove the complex algorithms and just do percentage of top score. 99% = 99 points etc.

Your another dude I'll stick the boot into. xD Bored that time posting dodgy shit accusing Australia's team guys of monitor pulling.

Must I go back & look when you were so concerned on your rankings to be a loss from changes?

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Oh I'm just getting started, so don't unplug!

Revision after revision has seen my Teams dominance erode away. These members, plenty of them submitting scores 10 years or more.

Their faKKen time & effort was for nothing?

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Leave shit alone. Sick of buying hardware for scores to see benchmarks killed on points

 

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

7 minutes ago, Strunkenbold said:

Agree here. Very good point.

Those things turned out as way too complex to handle. The rankings are now broken for years. It's time that we return to something easy.

You should realize that the moment when you hire a math genius to develop an ultra complex formula is a fail. Those things have always to be easy and understandable.

^^^^ jesus ,this is what everyone has been complaining about for years, so what? the penny now has finally dropped ? i know theres a lot of thick people in this world but bot really takes the world record at it, BOT should call itself this as a side show entertainment  , Broken Only Temporarily 😗

Strunkenbold says:

14 minutes ago, avalanche said:

Disabled for a reason? LoL due to exploits & thought cheaters. 

Moderators here can easy see a score out of line ... then a whole bunch of butthurts alert when their #1 score is busted easily.

Though your big guns can mess around super tweaking & perhaps a score is taken down.

200 thousand regular overclockers loose points personal & team for doing the right thing. Bench points disabled.

 

It's already a very thin line between a perfect tweaked score and a cheated score. Maybe that's just my opinion but allowing points for bugged benchmark's will add complexity to a level we can't handle anymore. The whole bot and benchmarking in general is based off trust. And if the whole system can't be trusted anymore, it's over.

By now it's already problematic but in the end the users decide. I just want to warn going this way.

Australia avalanche says:

General writing. Enough turbulence this year. Round up your thoughts & decisions past 2019.

Well yes HWbot Rev 7 may be broken ... but it's the one we have. To start again is wiping the disc clean of all members hard work.

Why? Because some bench runs may have been faulted run, sure some. But the majority is fine. 99%

We are talking about the majority here right? The guys posting scores all the time religiously are punished.

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No need to re invent the wheel ...

 

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

Yeesh people need to chill.

Also as a side note, if benches no longer have normal points for a reason (buggy/cheated etc), makes sense for them to not have team points either, but if the points have been removed simply to 'balance' the main rankings (not too 2d/3d heavy etc) then I don't see a problem.

 

I still blame Massman for pointing the ship in a certain direction then leaving it :D

Strunkenbold says:

9 minutes ago, ozzie said:

^^^^ jesus ,this is what everyone has been complaining about for years, so what? the penny now has finally dropped ? i know theres a lot of thick people in this world but bot really takes the world record at it, BOT should call itself this as a side show entertainment  , Broken Only Temporarily 😗

The whole story is that people where in charge who thought they could establish overclocking as another esport mass phenomenon. This sadly failed. Technically and financially.

Energy wasn't spend on the website. And so one problem after another appeared over the time and didn't got fixed.

Everyone working close to the website was seeing this. But unfortunately those are in no position to decide anything. So the penny dropped long ago...

Australia avalanche says:

7 minutes ago, GeorgeStorm said:

Yeesh people need to chill.

Also as a side note, if benches no longer have normal points for a reason (buggy/cheated etc), makes sense for them to not have team points either, but if the points have been removed simply to 'balance' the main rankings (not too 2d/3d heavy etc) then I don't see a problem.

 

I still blame Massman for pointing the ship in a certain direction then leaving it :D

... and it's a fine line. Sega earned a years leave for thought cheat. Who can say why 1x WR is wreaked one time doing that?

Trying his best to be a TOP x5 in the world ... to perhaps have x1 blemish & he's effectively banished.  Perhaps the most recent of note

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But it's ongoing & relentless wreaking benchmarks that we enjoy because of the few dodgy subs. It's not the way, punishing all of us.

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

1 minute ago, Strunkenbold said:

The whole story is that people where in charge who thought they could establish overclocking as another esport mass phenomenon. This sadly failed. Technically and financially.

Energy wasn't spend on the website. And so one problem after another appeared over the time and didn't got fixed.

Everyone working close to the website was seeing this. But unfortunately those are in no position to decide anything. So the penny dropped long ago...

so why cant what i suggested years ago work  but got stuff all reply ?? $10 a yr membership for everyone to help bot keep up and running, pay people, whatever to stay on top of things, but as it stands now because of it everyone is suffering yes??, so the answer is to pay, ill throw my $10 in right now,

look i know ive said things that might appear very critical and negative but the reason is there seems to be no advancement in things being fixed, ive proposed a way to try help that, and i think 10 bucks a year isnt gunna kill anyones pocket that  chooses overclocking for a hobby or a business like some do, that all is paid for and given to them. good luck to them, but thats not the issue im talking about, im focusing on the normal joe that wants bot , enjoys bot, and wants bot to keep being bot fun , fun for bot, the user, their team and for fun for all, and  run like it should be run, how it used to be run and if 10 bucks a year helps and secures that then so be it 

 

Australia avalanche says:

Edited. That $10 membership was a good idea then. But the HWbot ship may have been steered a different direction. As above writing

Greece TASOS says:

1 hour ago, Strunkenbold said:

Agree here. Very good point.

Those things turned out as way too complex to handle. The rankings are now broken for years. It's time that we return to something easy.

You should realize that the moment when you hire a math genius to develop an ultra complex formula is a fail. Those things have always to be easy and understandable.

 

I dont know if my writing is correct this way , but isnt that ? ... "The best things in life , are the simple ones"

 

Australia avalanche says:

Yes complex formula. It was a good idea " some of it " but the resulting thereabouts 70% cliff is quite the phenomenon.

Fresh members to OC then learn 0.2 points ... and have to try harder.

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

if it doesnt start somewhere.... it will never star or start, then when it ends all will whinge.... why!!!

Greece TASOS says:

1 hour ago, avalanche said:

200 thousand regular overclockers loose points personal & team for doing the right thing

 

 

40 minutes ago, avalanche said:

General writing.

 

My answer is not specifically for you , just my personal thoughts and just happened to grab your quotes.

After 25 years of having overclocking as a hobby , i can say in the most emphatic way , that "when benchmarking was discovered , it instantly killed the pure romance of overclocking"

When mass overclocking started , it was all about having more speed (free speed) to our pc's.

When Benchmarking started , it was all about making software produce higher numbers.

When competitive benchmarking started , it was all about tricking software to produce higher scores ... scores without real life usage.

 

That's my 2 or 5 or 10 cents , expressed very simplified.

:)

 

Puerto Rico MrPaco says:

Fascinating...

I can count on one hand the number of TEAMS here that bench for & fight for their TEAM, most other members here at Bot bench solely for them-SELF points/rankings and to hell with their team. Prove me wrong... And that is just fine for them.

So Out of pure curiosity; What is the sudden interest in  TEAM points/rankings. Hmmmmm.

It has been mostly catering to crying individual benchers here anyway again nothing wrong with that, if thats their thing so be it. However why go after TEAMS points/rankings? Some individuals here can not compete on a one to one basis on the higher levels so they focus on and contribute to their TEAM the only way they can. And you want to again... Kill the concept of TEAM as it has been attempted before in the past.

If the TEAM PP have been the same way all these years and no one had a complaint about it before why change it? I do understand if the BenchMark was completely removed from Bott.

 

 

 

Australia avalanche says:

Reply TASOS

True true. Many here are all about the retro hardware & pushing it's limits. Griff comes to mind with good shit he does. :D

I get that man pushing fsb & doing ratios for ram is alot of fun on 775.

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What changed? Well motherboard manufacturers of late, steer prospective buys to their bios with the easy 5Ghz OC dial.

United States Bones says:

18 hours ago, Mr.Scott said:

You wanna see the real team standings, remove TPP from all inactive users after say, 2 years of inactivity.

With respect:

I have to say there are at least a few teams with alot of "Dead Wood" within their members list, and I mean some that's comprised of about 10, 15 or so active, all the rest not doing squat except to earn a badge to display on their home forum for making the claim they're "On the team".

As for teams themselves related to points earned:

There is absolutely NOTHING stopping anyone here from benching any and everything they could get their hands on and no one can say otherwise with any truth to it. You do what you gotta do to succeed short of cheating and dirty tricks, doesn't make any sense to punish those doing just that in the right way. 

It's almost like "If you can't beat 'em, report 'em".... With a new twist from what I'm seeing here.

 

OK, it's also fact that many want the big points/scores.... Hey, that's OK and if that's how you want to go at it with a focus on that, it's all good - It's even nice to get them when you can. However screwing over others that do it in a different way than you is actual discrimination based on benching style - Not everyone is able to afford going after it that way, yet at the same time there is talk about growing the sport.

I suppose there is a brand-new crop of Rookies, never having benched anything complete with full dewars of LN2 just waiting to go..... NOT.

I see a trainwreck coming up with this..... Happens everytime something gets changed as we all know too well already.

Leave well enough alone and just bench. 

 

 

 

Australia avalanche says:

10 minutes ago, mr.paco said:

Fascinating...

I can count on one hand the number of TEAMS here that bench for & fight for their TEAM, most other members here at Bot bench solely for them-SELF points/rankings and to hell with their team. Prove me wrong... And that is just fine for them.

So Out of pure curiosity; What is the sudden interest in  TEAM points/rankings. Hmmmmm.

It has been mostly catering to crying individual benchers here anyway again nothing wrong with that, if thats their thing so be it. However why go after TEAMS points/rankings? Some individuals here can not compete on a one to one basis on the higher levels so they focus on and contribute to their TEAM the only way they can. And you want to again... Kill the concept of TEAM as it has been attempted before in the past.

If the TEAM PP have been the same way all these years and no one had a complaint about it before why change it? I do understand if the BenchMark was completely removed from Bott.

 

 

 

Could not have said it better el cap-i-tan :D it's just busting team efforts, many teams

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

 , IF, this change comes in it wont matter. we'll still get you and beat you, as small as we are ,😎

Belgium leeghoofd says:

The 10 bucks debate has been done a few times over the years. Issue is that some just want to pay to keep the site alive, others think they bought a 50% share and start asking for removal of benchmarks, start to interfere with moderation/competition setups,...  I need to dig up the thread where you can donate freely to Fred's paypal addy to reduce costs...

At the moment the BOT is a ship with major problems and the 3-4 man crew is trying to keep first the boat afloat. Secondly steer it away from the incoming iceberg and last but not least in the mean time still find energy to save some out of the water... Everybody knows what the issues are, biggest problem is how to resolve all  these in a short period as possible. Fixing is one thing, though the algorithm and co have become so complex as Strunkenbold explained, it looks more like fix one thing break two...

Frederik is trying to get most stuff sorted after his daily job is done and keep this in mind we are all volunteers, doing this in our free time and totally for free...

 

Thx to Michael for helping me out once in a while...

Australia avalanche says:

This Revision 7 has been a curve ball, we are all adjusting to it. If a fix means breaking x2 other things, then don't make changes O.o

Believe you'll do right Leeghoofd & crack some cheaters heads. Sick of reading " how to " in here learning others

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Do the best with what you have & be honest in your efforts. No more benchmarks losing points OK 

 

Belgium richba5tard says:

Every time i brought up the discussion with PJ that hwbot rev 4/5/6/7 is too complex to understand or maintain, the main counter argument was that a simple and understandable algorithm encourages hw sharing and encourages quantity over quality submissions. He had a good point.

The subscription fee is not deemed viable for hwbot. The server infrastructure alone costs about 10k a year (and thats after the rev7 optimization, it used to be +15k).

Canada Vinster says:

I get the fees are high to operate, but I'd think ever little bit helps.. just like 0.2 points/sub as a min.... :)

over time/volume it adds up. 233k+ members on the bot, say 5,000 are active, $10ea, $50k/year in funds to help with either HW/Coding/Fees. Then you can get help.

Rookies get 3 months free to get the benching bug, then as they start getting/buying HW the $10 will be moot as this is/can be an expensive hobby.

I know money can't fix everything, and I know you not accepting money from us means you owe us nothing. I (and many) do appreciate all the effort you and the remainder of your team put in, including the iceberg under the water we don't see. But to some extent, some people here do want to hold you accountable on some sort of moral level. That part is immeasurable

I'm the cheapest bastard I know, me suggesting a small fee and agreeing with it is a big statement for me. But this place is worth it, the effort you put in is worth it.

Vin

Sweden Rauf says:

6 hours ago, richba5tard said:

Every time i brought up the discussion with PJ that hwbot rev 4/5/6/7 is too complex to understand or maintain, the main counter argument was that a simple and understandable algorithm encourages hw sharing and encourages quantity over quality submissions. He had a good point.

The subscription fee is not deemed viable for hwbot. The server infrastructure alone costs about 10k a year (and thats after the rev7 optimization, it used to be +15k).

I would say that the situation is different now. The complex point system is no longer needed, or at least has lost its way. Does anyone even have an idea of what the purpose of the current system is? Can anyone define it?

I think the answer is "something to please everyone". Which ends up being shit for most. And so we have like 6 different rankings, world ranking, overclocker league, global, hw, team, etc. We already have quantity over quality. First place in 3way 3d05 is worth more than wr in 3d01, pifast etc.

The current system is a mess.

If hwbot still thinks competitive rankings are the way to go and wants to promote quality (top scores). Why not just add fixed bonus points to top 10 or 20 scores in each ranking. Every other score is just pure %. No need to involve complex logarithms.

United States Mr.Scott says:

8 hours ago, richba5tard said:

Every time i brought up the discussion with PJ that hwbot rev 4/5/6/7 is too complex to understand or maintain, the main counter argument was that a simple and understandable algorithm encourages hw sharing and encourages quantity over quality submissions. He had a good point.

 

That's bullshit.

What I just got from that was that my team doesn't have quality subs. Yet we have members that put a few hundred subs up every month. They get nothing for that effort if you pull the TPP.

Again, you don't punish active benching, you promote it. No matter how good or bad the sub is.

Australia avalanche says:

1 hour ago, Rauf said:

I would say that the situation is different now. The complex point system is no longer needed, or at least has lost its way. Does anyone even have an idea of what the purpose of the current system is? Can anyone define it?

I think the answer is "something to please just Rauf". Which ends up being shit for most. And so we have like 6 different rankings, world ranking, overclocker league, global, hw, team, etc. We already have quantity over quality. First place in 3way 3d05 is worth more than wr in 3d01, pifast etc.

*snip* garble

Stop messing with it man.  >:( Too many changes. Leeghoofd said above, x1 applied fix & x2 more things break.

Known some of the points system is out of whack to many of us. This should be a time to reflect/ plan ... see what can be done better next year.

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Define Revision 7 you say? To submit your best scores & stay close to #1 ranked member in a benchmark

 

 

Australia zeropluszero says:

Still waiting for Tobias to create hwbot2.org 😁

Australia avalanche says:

Not about the x1 ... HWbot is for all of us.

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Elite league (232 participants)
Extreme league (1917 participants)
Apprentice league (1457 participants)
Enthusiast league (180219 participants)
Novice league (38150 participants)>
Rookie league (11533 participants)

3606 use special cooling ie Apprentice & above. 180K enthusiast regular cooling. 233508 total members.

49683 Novice & Rookie. We do welcome the newcomers to overclocking. :)

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No doubt LN2 World Records grab the headlines with the big scores.  2149 members spending on expensive parts risking it all for glory. 

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It's purely about numbers right? Anyone in the world can compete same hardware & submit scores.

Then the dollar factor. Titans & big processors all cost if you want to be @ the TOP.  What about the 229902 ambient members buying parts?

Air & Water Cooling enthusiasts, novice & rookies. They buy parts as well.

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Mathematics 1.544% of HWbot use special cooling O.o the rest ambient cooling.

98.456% Represent the regular overclocker in here. Almost 230 thousand

Needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few. We all buy hardware too, lots of it.

When Revision 7 was implemented. Many members took massive hits on points as they benched more legacy parts.

Yes extreme guy as well iirc that conversation, he had hardware like core2 duo & 939 parts. His effort diminished.

Then hardcore guys that have been submitting to HWbot for 10 years or more, their efforts diminished.

What's left you ask? Revision 7 saw points shit to different areas. So it's a matter to look for them.

HWbot is a complexe beast that we know, there are many areas to focus in. 

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Variety you see, there is lots to do. Lots of hardware to bench & sure to be within your budget.

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Not lose purpose HWbot ... listen & cater for a few in here. There are great teams that work hard like mine.

We all strive to do better & earn points, win a competition OR hear a well done from our peers.

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Keep it real guys. Do your best but be honest in your efforts :D

 

 

 

Australia zeropluszero says:

Can anyone translate that for me? 

Australia avalanche says:

9 minutes ago, zeropluszero said:

Can anyone translate that for me? 

HWbot is for everyone even you Zero. A service made available for us all to test our skill against each other.

It's a privilege made possible for us to submit scores.

NOT a right of some individuals to try twist manipulate HWbot towards their personal gain.

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A majority silent is still a majority looking on.

Belgium richba5tard says:

If we would change the complex algorithm for something simple & easy to understand, it would be on the roadmap of 2019. I agree rev7.1 has wonky here and there but overhauling the algorithm twice in one year would only increase confusion. :)

As far as I see there are some edge cases where a "good" ranking can be fucked up (if anyone can reproduce it on the uat.hwbot.org server, please do!), and the logic to detect whether a submissions is a "best submission" for the user has a few holes in it too, but this is not due to rev7.1.

Australia avalanche says:

Thankyou ... a wise & just man :) Carry on submitting scores as usual.

HWbot hopefully continues to grow & attract new members exponentially 

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

jesus, $10 a year for membership fees is nothing, and dont give me this garbage about people wanting to have say in this and that how this or whatever is run, piss weak excuse and it wont happen anyway, and you know why ??? coz if anyone is gunna try do anything for their 10 bucks worth  theyre just barking up the wrong tree, wont happen, its quite simple to do, make a disclaimer agreement when you tick ok, when you pay where theres none of the above involved, pay the money, and as vinnie said, for eg,  50 k in the bank to make bot work like it should be, people get paid something for their tireless efforts, stuff gets upraded so less problems , easier overall,  its like falling off a log to me, too bloody easy, or is that too simple to comprehend?

United States Bones says:

11 hours ago, Rauf said:

I would say that the situation is different now. The complex point system is no longer needed, or at least has lost its way. Does anyone even have an idea of what the purpose of the current system is? Can anyone define it?

I think the answer is "something to please everyone". Which ends up being shit for most. And so we have like 6 different rankings, world ranking, overclocker league, global, hw, team, etc. We already have quantity over quality. First place in 3way 3d05 is worth more than wr in 3d01, pifast etc.

The current system is a mess.

If hwbot still thinks competitive rankings are the way to go and wants to promote quality (top scores). Why not just add fixed bonus points to top 10 or 20 scores in each ranking. Every other score is just pure %. No need to involve complex logarithms.

OK - I'll pull the pin on this grenade...... ¬¬

I'll address each point above with thoughts of my own about the issues mentioned.

1:

I also don't think anyone currently has an idea exactly "HOW" it works to be honest regarding the code itself for figuring up all the points for results. I can't place any "Blame" on any one person or thing either, we are all aware of what's happened in recent months and who did what more or less.

Too easy to fix one thing and have two go askew if you don't fully understand the coding and it's already been admitted it's VERY complex. You can bet things are inter-woven due to the nature of how it all works and the guy(s) that did understand it well enough are gone. Not saying it can't be figured out but it's probrably SO complex and convoluted at this point it's become a hydra related to fixing things.

I'm also not aware of anyone on the staff here named "Hercules".

Further tinkering will only make things worse than it is already - And it's pretty damn bad now.

2:

Trying to please everyone is another symptom of the current mess and it eventually (Like it or not) comes with a certain expectation of such. I can understand trying to change things so more can and would be interested, however at the price that's being paid now it's not been worth it. There's even a few here that actually expect things to be changed for their benefit alone - Another symptom of the cult of accomidation that's come to be.

The ones running the show before are largely responsible for this, instead of telling folks to suck it up, they instead caved time and time again and it's gotten to the point now it's expected such things to be handed over like candy in a parade.

Now we've got cavities that needs filling and the fix won't be pleasant.

3:

I don't see any sense in awarding bonus points on top of higher points already given to those that do score in the top of their category, esp as things are now. While I will agree there are discreptancies in the way points are awarded, one simple factor is in how popular the bench is - That's one thing that will make some worth more than others if comparing any two categories.  If you're already in the top spots you're getting the top points already for that category.

You'd have to revamp the entire structure of how points are awarded to make it even close to workable. The place is already a shambles, if done this would serve as another example of the cure being worse than the disease like Chemo can be because....

Piling on bonus points on top of all that's already earned more than those below is an instant competitive spirit "Killer".

You want to flatout lock up the top spots so no one is ever in danger again of possibly losing out to someone trying to make their way up the ladder? That's one way to go.

So.... You got beat, that's the nature of the game.

There shoudn't be any issue(s) if it does happen legitimately, for if there is I'd have to guess someone's ego got bruised.

 

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

4 minutes ago, Bones said:

*snip*

Just wanted to say, for as long as I can remember there has been a bonus added to top5/10 scores type thing already, and it's there to encourage and reward those who push right to the very end, otherwise the guy in 2nd/3rd etc getting 99% of the points of 1st might not bother pushing more as it's not 'worth' the extra time/money etc, whereas when there's a bigger jump in points it might be.

 

At least that's my understanding.

United States Bones says:

My point exactly about that part of it - Higher points are already being awarded IF you score well enough.

Australia avalanche says:

3 minutes ago, GeorgeStorm said:

Just wanted to say, for as long as I can remember there has been a bonus added to top5/10 scores type thing already, and it's there to encourage and reward those who push right to the very end, otherwise the guy in 2nd/3rd etc getting 99% of the points of 1st might not bother pushing more as it's not 'worth' the extra time/money etc, whereas when there's a bigger jump in points it might be.

 

At least that's my understanding.

Yes & it's still working like that in revision 7. A benchmark I could look @ on the global side ....

#1 120 #2 95 #3 60 & then it decreases sharply till you hit the cliff & everyone then scores 0.2

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No one should have a complete impervious advantage though not matter their standing in the BOT 

United Kingdom GeorgeStorm says:

8700k r15 still seems to be broken :/

H2o vs. Ln2 says:

Is this OK or is still calculating Benchmark Points (UMP)

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Greece Fasttrack says:

From my extended life experience.

If someone does not have the knowledge / knowhow to drive his car and crashes, it is not the car to blame.

If someone owns / runs a company and the company crashes, it is not the employees to blame.

When a place of joy ( for which even the most negative member would be ungrateful to doubt ), turns ( for whatever reason ), into a problematic place to even exist, then

a serious issue arises.

What is left -

1) Hardcore benchers, that do not care for point rewards.

2) Sponsored / Elite  members who have financial interests from their sponsors and from live competitions with cash money rewards.

All the rest have either gone home or are preparing to do so.

Bluntly - fix the boat or the boat will end up in the bottom of the ocean. Simple as that. 

Australia avalanche says:

Not agree. Go back previous page.

What I get fed up about is there always has to be some one to blame. Oh look he did it. = Negativity

Really it's enough. Crew tiny I think x4 to fix all the shit. 

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Points are broken. Just do what you like. Upload scores. It's about overclocking that's why we enjoy it. 😊

Greece Fasttrack says:

Just now, avalanche said:

Not agree. Go back previous page.

What I get fed up about is there always has to be some one to blame. Oh look he did it. = Negativity

Really it's enough. Crew tiny I think x4 to fix all the shit. 

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Points are broken. Just do what you like. Upload scores. It's about overclocking that's why we enjoy it. 😊

What you maybe do not understand, is that the backbone of the site has been problematic for years.

Anything that is not fixed early enough ( years ago ), only results in worsening the environment and leading to a dead end.

And yes, in every situation in life, there is one or more responsible for the backbone of the system. Either it is a family or a whole country.

And the Titanic went down because under extremely severe weather conditions, the captain was sleeping and the crew watching the front of the ship did not have

binoculars and could not see the iceberg approaching.

Negativity is one thing, being realistic is another. 

Australia avalanche says:

... head ache

Why put a heavier load on a heavy load that has been a heavy load for some time & keep pressing the fact that it's always been a heavy load 😣

Guy running this place ... just back off for a while Fasttrack OK. I see them trying. An imperfect world is still our imperfect world.

HWbot team will do right ... but you have to wait.

United States Splave says:

been getting random subs removed lately :( need to google to find the links then no option to edit or resub

http://hwbot.org/submission/3740448_splave_gpupi___32b_radeon_hd_7970_24min_40sec_450ms

 

Romania Alex@ro says:

Same, #2 place in spi 32m on 6700k just dissapeared....

Australia avalanche says:

On 6/14/2018 at 10:08 PM, Fasttrack said:

From my extended life experience.

* snippity snip *

Bluntly - fix the boat or the boat will end up in the bottom of the ocean. Simple as that. 

See above ^^ worlds best overclockers asking about their missing scores. It's important to them.

Rank / position does mean something. So they would try to hang onto a slender lead over a rival.

Rest of us care too about our points & scores. Some of the HWbot points system is badly broken.

No good comes of it ... continually bashing on the staff here about it. Some time & next year Richard will look @ it again.

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Not a leaky sinking boat as you imply. More an old battleship with some damage. Not keep skuttling a Bismarck 💀

Facts previous page June 8. 233508 total members.

Today June 16. 234283 total members. That's a growth of 775 members joined in just a week. Think x52 weeks

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40,300 could be a real number of members joining in a year. Be positive instead, more competition, more interesting benchmarks.

 

 

 

 

Greece Fasttrack says:

It is a shame when some try to turn a free discussion where everyone is entitled to an opinion, into a personal thing.

Not interested to reply or even continue.

History will tell if optimism ( which is a good thing ), is better than facing reality and facts.

Wish, from the bottom of my heart, that things go north and not south.

I prefer to be realistic. But that is just me.

Carry on folks and good luck :)

 

Australia avalanche says:

I write as a whole " benefit HWbot " not once have I stepped into personal side of things. 

It's been years of guys bashing on " things are not right " " the heavens are falling " endless bitter feedback fix this fix that in here.

Fasttrack I hope your on the end of all this. Negative writing we have to lessen it.

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We just get on with overclocking & uploading the scores to HWbot. Leave the crew here to do their thing, better for praising efforts in the long run.

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

the titantic sunk coz some useless self opinionated dicklips respresentative from the company that built it was on board and pressured the command in the bridge  at the time to beat the time record for the voyage , the captain didnt even know about it and by the time it was seen and he was informed and advertive action was taken  it was all over and bugger all could be done to save her or the passengers, everything was lost through greed and stupidity

Belgium leeghoofd says:

@Alex and Splave did you guys edit something on the score?

United Kingdom Noxinite says:

All my 4770K subs have points disabled for some reason and require me to manually find and recalculate them. I haven't touched them in ages, so not sure if they're just broken from the initial 7/7.1 recalculations.

Romania Alex@ro says:

21 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:

@Alex and Splave did you guys edit something on the score?

No sir, regarding 6700K and 32M i also see that Galax Oc Lab submission is gone as well, weird things happen

 

Le, found it with google, recalculate, now it is good :

 

http://hwbot.org/submission/3405213_alex_ro_superpi___32m_core_i7_6700k_4min_23sec_328ms/

 

Problem is i think i miss some other scores as well but have to remember what and then find them again lol

Belgium leeghoofd says:

I experienced similar stuff Alex, benching to do some old s1155 scores, seems I was beating my own score and not the one currently listed in the ranking lol

United States Mr.Scott says:

You know this is screwed up, right?

Been like this since Rev. 7 started.

 

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Belgium leeghoofd says:

if I had to cut down on one thing for less server laod it would be the Esports page 😛

United States Mr.Scott says:

I very much agree.

Australia zeropluszero says:

13 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:

if I had to cut down on one thing for less server laod it would be the Esports page 😛

OMG!
CAN WE BRING BACK THE OLD COMPETITION PAGES??????????

http://hwbot.org/competition/country_cup_2014 THIS STYLE???

Greece George_oc says:

I strongly agree too! 

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

too much dribble has been put upon too much dribble  from what ive seen, when you got something good to work with you go for it, why change to some unknown ?? and this is and has been an unknown, from what ive seen so far of it, and not only this revision, , so its pretty basic isnt it,, you wanna get the servers sorted, then sort  the servers and whats in there and put into them so it runs how you and all do, fair comment ??

United States Bones says:

4 hours ago, zeropluszero said:

OMG!
CAN WE BRING BACK THE OLD COMPETITION PAGES??????????

http://hwbot.org/competition/country_cup_2014 THIS STYLE???

YES!

These pages load quicker and more smoothly than the current Esports pages do.

I also prefer the layout of these vs what's being used now. 😎

Argentina Pablocs08 says:

Hi! one question: My achievements not update.. is a bug in all users or other problem? please check this any admin,thanks!

Austria TAGG says:

Found a funny new bug, apperently you can take more then one place in hardwarerankings now :D

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/superpi_-_1m/rankings?start=0&amp;hardwareTypeId=processor_1314#start=0#interval=20

 

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Belgium leeghoofd says:

Sadly it is not a new bug Tagg :(

Australia unityofsaints says:

On 6/25/2018 at 5:13 AM, zeropluszero said:

OMG!
CAN WE BRING BACK THE OLD COMPETITION PAGES??????????

http://hwbot.org/competition/country_cup_2014 THIS STYLE???

You're old

United Kingdom tom.randle.10 says:

old lasts, new has to be able to get to old to last

Belgium richba5tard says:

On 6/25/2018 at 7:13 AM, zeropluszero said:

OMG!
CAN WE BRING BACK THE OLD COMPETITION PAGES??????????

http://hwbot.org/competition/country_cup_2014 THIS STYLE???

I would not mind, one less thing for me to maintain. 😌

United States Mr.Scott says:

1 hour ago, richba5tard said:

I would not mind, one less thing for me to maintain. 😌

 

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Belgium richba5tard says:

Already applied to all previous country cups not to redirect to oc-esports.io and use the blue scheme:

http://hwbot.org/competition/country_cup_2017

United States marco.is.not.80 says:

On 7/1/2018 at 10:51 AM, richba5tard said:

Already applied to all previous country cups not to redirect to oc-esports.io and use the blue scheme:

http://hwbot.org/competition/country_cup_2017

Crazy how much faster and better it is. Nice job, man!

Australia zeropluszero says:

FUCK YEH

United Kingdom Noxinite says:

Noticed the change today. It might take some getting used to, but seems to be a lot faster.

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